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		<title>By: Sam Bennett &#187; Will IE9 support HTML5 fully?</title>
		<link>http://rakaz.nl/2010/03/microsoft-talks-big-about-html5-but-shows-very-little.html/comment-page-1#comment-1679</link>
		<dc:creator>Sam Bennett &#187; Will IE9 support HTML5 fully?</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Apr 2010 22:16:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] original post is here http://rakaz.nl/2010/03/microsoft-talks-big-about-html5-but-shows-very-little.html. But looking through the comments it looks as though someone from Microsoft Giorgio Sardo has [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] original post is here <a href="http://rakaz.nl/2010/03/microsoft-talks-big-about-html5-but-shows-very-little.html" rel="nofollow">http://rakaz.nl/2010/03/microsoft-talks-big-about-html5-but-shows-very-little.html</a>. But looking through the comments it looks as though someone from Microsoft Giorgio Sardo has [...]</p>
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		<title>By: redicoulous internet explorer 9 testdrive page &#124; lautr.com</title>
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		<dc:creator>redicoulous internet explorer 9 testdrive page &#124; lautr.com</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Apr 2010 15:01:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] was a (early) Version of IE9, mostly because i really don&#8217;t care but i read about it at the blog of razak. First he is absolutely right about the HTML5 Elements, none of the provided examples really works [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] was a (early) Version of IE9, mostly because i really don&#8217;t care but i read about it at the blog of razak. First he is absolutely right about the HTML5 Elements, none of the provided examples really works [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Hannes</title>
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		<dc:creator>Hannes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Apr 2010 13:38:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I like they way the advertise there bad acid test result ...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I like they way the advertise there bad acid test result &#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Giorgio Sardo</title>
		<link>http://rakaz.nl/2010/03/microsoft-talks-big-about-html5-but-shows-very-little.html/comment-page-1#comment-1674</link>
		<dc:creator>Giorgio Sardo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Apr 2010 02:10:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hi Niels,

Thanks for testing the Internet Explorer 9 Platform Preview #1 (IE9 PP1). As we announced at MIX, the IE9 PP1 is a way to try out the platform and to experience improvements we’re making to performance, standards support and interoperability, enabling “the same markup” to work.

It&#039;s not complete. We are NOT done yet. We have MUCH more coming in the next releases (including, but not limited, support for the video tag) :-)

Looking at your tests, I have a question for you. In your previous blog post, you stated &quot;the HTML5 standard and other related specifications are still in development&quot;. I agree with your comment; in fact Microsoft, as well as other browser vendors and in general all the W3C members, are working together with that exact goal: move the HTML 5 specification (and CSS, DOM, SVG, …) forward. 

Let’s take for example the Web Workers Working Draft. The W3C defines it “not stable” (“Implementors should be aware that this specification is not stable” , from W3C HTML 5 Web Workers link on your blog). In fact each browser is implementing this spec with a different model in mind (for instance, I believe Firefox doesn’t allow you to terminate and restart a worker). In this scenario, what is your test testing?

The risk is to set wrong expectations with developers – since the code they write today, might (and probably will) break as these specifications change based on the current discussions happening in the W3C group.

The audio/video codecs are a different interesting topic, as you mentioned earlier. Giving points to the browser that supports more of them would not serve the scope. Can you imagine if a browser would support 5 codecs, and another browser other 5 different codecs? That would create even more fragmentation (for the developer, for the user, for the tools, ...). I wish this was an easier problem to solve and I&#039;m looking forward to a Web where all browsers support the same codec. :-)

That said, we *love* HTML 5. And we are working very hard to make the web  developer dream come true: “code once, run everywhere”. Interoperability (as showed by the corner radius demos) will be a key component to the success of HTML 5. Performance also will be essential to enable great developer scenarios. Check out for instance our blog posts from Jason Upton, our IE Test Manager, and Jason Weber, our Perf lead, talking about tests for web standards and performance:
http://blogs.msdn.com/ie/archive/2010/03/17/test-drive-104-new-professional-grade-tests-for-web-standards.aspx
http://blogs.msdn.com/ie/archive/2010/04/07/a-closer-look-at-internet-explorer-9-hardware-acceleration-through-flying-images.aspx

If you believe we have bugs in our implementation (which is most likely possible right now :-)), or you feel like we are missing something, feel free to contact me or to file a bug on our open tracking system. Any feedback you might have will be much appreciated! 
http://blogs.msdn.com/ie/archive/2010/03/25/filing-a-great-bug.aspx

Btw, you should expect the next build to come in about 4 weeks! 

Best regards,
Giorgio Sardo
Microsoft IE9 Technical Evangelist]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Niels,</p>
<p>Thanks for testing the Internet Explorer 9 Platform Preview #1 (IE9 PP1). As we announced at MIX, the IE9 PP1 is a way to try out the platform and to experience improvements we’re making to performance, standards support and interoperability, enabling “the same markup” to work.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s not complete. We are NOT done yet. We have MUCH more coming in the next releases (including, but not limited, support for the video tag) :-)</p>
<p>Looking at your tests, I have a question for you. In your previous blog post, you stated &#8220;the HTML5 standard and other related specifications are still in development&#8221;. I agree with your comment; in fact Microsoft, as well as other browser vendors and in general all the W3C members, are working together with that exact goal: move the HTML 5 specification (and CSS, DOM, SVG, …) forward. </p>
<p>Let’s take for example the Web Workers Working Draft. The W3C defines it “not stable” (“Implementors should be aware that this specification is not stable” , from W3C HTML 5 Web Workers link on your blog). In fact each browser is implementing this spec with a different model in mind (for instance, I believe Firefox doesn’t allow you to terminate and restart a worker). In this scenario, what is your test testing?</p>
<p>The risk is to set wrong expectations with developers – since the code they write today, might (and probably will) break as these specifications change based on the current discussions happening in the W3C group.</p>
<p>The audio/video codecs are a different interesting topic, as you mentioned earlier. Giving points to the browser that supports more of them would not serve the scope. Can you imagine if a browser would support 5 codecs, and another browser other 5 different codecs? That would create even more fragmentation (for the developer, for the user, for the tools, &#8230;). I wish this was an easier problem to solve and I&#8217;m looking forward to a Web where all browsers support the same codec. :-)</p>
<p>That said, we *love* HTML 5. And we are working very hard to make the web  developer dream come true: “code once, run everywhere”. Interoperability (as showed by the corner radius demos) will be a key component to the success of HTML 5. Performance also will be essential to enable great developer scenarios. Check out for instance our blog posts from Jason Upton, our IE Test Manager, and Jason Weber, our Perf lead, talking about tests for web standards and performance:<br />
<a href="http://blogs.msdn.com/ie/archive/2010/03/17/test-drive-104-new-professional-grade-tests-for-web-standards.aspx" rel="nofollow">http://blogs.msdn.com/ie/archive/2010/03/17/test-drive-104-new-professional-grade-tests-for-web-standards.aspx</a><br />
<a href="http://blogs.msdn.com/ie/archive/2010/04/07/a-closer-look-at-internet-explorer-9-hardware-acceleration-through-flying-images.aspx" rel="nofollow">http://blogs.msdn.com/ie/archive/2010/04/07/a-closer-look-at-internet-explorer-9-hardware-acceleration-through-flying-images.aspx</a></p>
<p>If you believe we have bugs in our implementation (which is most likely possible right now :-)), or you feel like we are missing something, feel free to contact me or to file a bug on our open tracking system. Any feedback you might have will be much appreciated!<br />
<a href="http://blogs.msdn.com/ie/archive/2010/03/25/filing-a-great-bug.aspx" rel="nofollow">http://blogs.msdn.com/ie/archive/2010/03/25/filing-a-great-bug.aspx</a></p>
<p>Btw, you should expect the next build to come in about 4 weeks! </p>
<p>Best regards,<br />
Giorgio Sardo<br />
Microsoft IE9 Technical Evangelist</p>
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		<title>By: Mike</title>
		<link>http://rakaz.nl/2010/03/microsoft-talks-big-about-html5-but-shows-very-little.html/comment-page-1#comment-1673</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Apr 2010 20:33:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Oh, and nice HTML 5 test, BTW!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh, and nice HTML 5 test, BTW!</p>
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		<title>By: Mike</title>
		<link>http://rakaz.nl/2010/03/microsoft-talks-big-about-html5-but-shows-very-little.html/comment-page-1#comment-1672</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Apr 2010 20:32:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The preview is to demo speed and SVG. The HTML 5 announcements are intention to support. They will be updating the preview every 8 weeks, and have been clear about supporting H.264, but haven&#039;t ruled out ogg support.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The preview is to demo speed and SVG. The HTML 5 announcements are intention to support. They will be updating the preview every 8 weeks, and have been clear about supporting H.264, but haven&#8217;t ruled out ogg support.</p>
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		<title>By: Vegas Hotel Deals</title>
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		<dc:creator>Vegas Hotel Deals</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Apr 2010 16:13:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thanks for casting light on this situation. It&#039;s quite misleading to suggest HTML5 compatibility when they are actually barely implementing bits and pieces of CSS3 that are 4+ years old.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for casting light on this situation. It&#8217;s quite misleading to suggest HTML5 compatibility when they are actually barely implementing bits and pieces of CSS3 that are 4+ years old.</p>
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		<title>By: Schrödinger&#039;s Code Domain &#187; Blog Archive &#187; html5 test results of all browsers in my win7 - for(;;) happy+coding;</title>
		<link>http://rakaz.nl/2010/03/microsoft-talks-big-about-html5-but-shows-very-little.html/comment-page-1#comment-1669</link>
		<dc:creator>Schrödinger&#039;s Code Domain &#187; Blog Archive &#187; html5 test results of all browsers in my win7 - for(;;) happy+coding;</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Apr 2010 10:49:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] ie8 8.0.7600.16385 19/160 ie9 preview 1.9.7745.6019 19/160 (same as ie8, huh?) please refer to this blog safari 4.0.5 (531.22.7) [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] ie8 8.0.7600.16385 19/160 ie9 preview 1.9.7745.6019 19/160 (same as ie8, huh?) please refer to this blog safari 4.0.5 (531.22.7) [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Josh</title>
		<link>http://rakaz.nl/2010/03/microsoft-talks-big-about-html5-but-shows-very-little.html/comment-page-1#comment-1617</link>
		<dc:creator>Josh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Mar 2010 07:25:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[They actually said in the announcement and on the developer site that a lot of the features were disabled in the first Platform Preview. Give it a little more time, then we can say they failed us.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>They actually said in the announcement and on the developer site that a lot of the features were disabled in the first Platform Preview. Give it a little more time, then we can say they failed us.</p>
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		<title>By: gines</title>
		<link>http://rakaz.nl/2010/03/microsoft-talks-big-about-html5-but-shows-very-little.html/comment-page-1#comment-1616</link>
		<dc:creator>gines</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Mar 2010 22:27:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Very nice blog. I thought the same as you write here. when I saw the demos. I would have expect much more from such a big company. So, let&#039;s wait to see what happens.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Very nice blog. I thought the same as you write here. when I saw the demos. I would have expect much more from such a big company. So, let&#8217;s wait to see what happens.</p>
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